Post by vinnishranger on Jul 17, 2018 10:39:07 GMT
Could a Thulean campaign exist outside the comfortable lands hashed out by the nobility? Would it last? What would it look like for a storyteller or players?
Eiriksson came to America around 1000AD. We are told Columbus discovered America in 1492. What happened to the Norse in the meantime? Why is Minnesota and the areas around it so Scandinavian? Why do we Americans often associate "Viking horns" with Vikings but, the Europeans tell us horns were only for drinking, not for the top of the head? A picture is worth a thousand words, look onward!
Meet the "Christian Indians" - a photo from the Stockbridge-Munsee Indian tribe. I don't know the context of these photos or authenticity. Could be Europeans dressing up as natives for all I know but, I keep finding these odd patterns and had to share. Might make a good fictional Thuelan setting if nothing else.
Additional photos follow. I know they are a minority of photos depicting a possible Norse influence but, who can say exactly why these types of photos are a minority I assume nothing for the time being.
Post by vinnishranger on Jul 17, 2018 10:44:42 GMT
A tourists map of lake Michigan. You'll find some of the names there aren't how we spell them today! It's not on this map but I noticed Wisconsin spelled Wiskonsin, according to some papers from the war of 1812 with the British. Supposedly it comes from the native name of the Wisconsin river. Google translate thinks "Wiskonsin" is Fresian. I have no idea, maybe someone smarter knows. Maybe there were Fresians who first met with the US government and spoke English and they got classed as natives. Have a looksee!
Post by vinnishranger on Jul 17, 2018 10:54:44 GMT
Some tribe names I've been finding these sorts of photos in: Menominee, Stockbridge-Munsee, Chippewa, Potawatomi. Basically any tribe around the great lakes will turn up one if you look through a page or two of Google images. I've backed the ones up above in case someone fixes to put them into a memory hole.
I'm currently reading through a book called "Viking America" by James Robert Enterline. If I see anything on topic that might contribute nicely to a fictional Thulean Vinland or remnants of it, I'll post it here for the sake of generating ideas for campaigns.
I'm reading it slowly as I scan wiki's and old pictures, plodding along. While I'm exploring the idea of possibly making a fictional setting for Vinlander Thuleans, I'm trying to base it on a semi-plausible alternative history as close to reality as I can get.
A hypothesis I'm toying with in my mind is whether or not Norse colonies existed along the St. Lawrence. I guess there is some mystery about the extinction of tribes there who spoke the 'Laurentian' language. However from what I've been reading there is little evidence to go off of to make any conclusions about tribal identity.
The original name of Montreal was Hochelaga. The name for Quebec - Stadacone. There is dispute as to what these names mean because of the varying dialects in the area. However, I wonder if "Hoch" and "Stadt" are Germanic. Hoch-lager perhaps? Stadt-cone? Not being a linguist I'm not really sure. However, it could make good fiction if nothing else. Besides, nobody really seems to know who lived on the St. Lawrence anyways.
So what I'm thinking is maybe there were Norse settlements that the French just acquired and renamed. Might go with that as a plot and rewind it 200 years or so. After all, there is a precedent for this sort of action: the British tried to acquire and re-appropriate the French colonies themselves. New York itself went through several renamings and changing of hands - it's not unheard of.
The two 'officially recognized' Norse settlements were in Newfoundland on the right. Who knows if there were more westward, where there are grapes growing along vines in rivers, etc?
I haven't even gotten to the Kensington runestone discovered in Minnesota. I believe another one was found in Nebraska. There is also a native American tribe in Arizona/California that openly brags about wiping out a tribe of redheads. The Kennewick man, etc. It's exhausting to go over all the literature. Everything suggests that Vikings wandered up through the Great lakes and onward, even if only as explorers rather than settlers. I really do think though that any who settled got absorbed into the native tribes, or European cities and just got forgotten - especially in the midwest after waves and waves of new Scandinavian and Germanic settlers arrived in the 1800s.
Shelving this project for now got some other stuff to do, and it kind of feels like an echo chamber in here right now.
If you're in the states and you need to feel a little more connected to the old Norse to generate some meaningful campaigns I recommend checking out the info here, found it useful. frozentrail.org - Basically the Algonquin Indian language is the same as old norse. So it means the Christianized "indians" were mostly Europeans and if you're in America you're closer to the old Norse than you realize and some of your ancestors have probably been there since about 1300 maybe even 1000.
My knowledge of viking mythology is not extensive so I've removed my campaign for the time being. Maybe in the future will seed it with some more MyFarog Lore to present it more authentically.